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Have you got great underarms?

8/11/2014

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It's no secret amongst my knitting friends that I love knitting sleeves, seriously LOVE them. Apparently, this is a fairly unpopular perspective and I'm constantly surprised to hear so many knitters say they hate knitting sleeves!

Sleeves are seriously awesome to knit, they're quick and mindless. If you knit them on small circumference circulars, as I do, it's just a case of knitting around and around and around, and they grow sooo fast. Particularly in comparison to the body of a garment. The feeling of having slogged away at the body of a garment for what feels like forever, and then finally you come to the sleeves, and it seems like the end is in sight; that is such a great feeling! Tuck your knitting under your arm and you can knock off those sleeves anywhere.

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However, I do get that some people don't like knitting sleeves, they find the whole process of picking up stitches along the armholes a bit daunting. The feel taunted by those holes that occur and seem to see them as a failing of their knitting skills. They're not.  They are a reality for most seamless knitters, but they don't have to be. 

I believe it is possible to pick up stitches along the armhole and not have holes. And not have to darn. 

I wrote a blog post about this whole process for the Gidday Baby KAL earlier this year, but if you didn't join us for that KAL you may not have read it, so I'm going to go over it again here as it's one of the most common complaints I hear about seamless knitting. Those bloody underarm holes.

Using my technique your underarm will look like the one pictured at top. That's before any ends are weaved in. Excellent hey!
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There are some subtle differences that I like to work on my sleeves to help set them up for perfect underarms.  The main one being that on the separation row for the sleeves and the body, I work a kfab either side of those sleeves stitches that are slipped to waste yarn. If you're working a raglan, this just means you continue the raglan shaping right down into the separation row, if you're working a circular yoke, you just add those kfabs in there as if you were working a raglan.  

PICKING UP THOSE PESKY UNDERARM STITCHES
When it comes to picking up the underarm stitches, remember, there is nothing to fear. In fact, if you get it wrong the first time, it's super simple to pull them out and have another go.

My approach to picking up underarm stitches does differ from some designers. I think the underarm pickup should be the complete process, I don't believe you should have to darn holes under the arm as part of the finishing process. That to me, is not great workmanship and no matter how neat you darn it always looks a bit, well, not so neat. Part of the problem, I believe is that patterns generally don't direct you to pick up enough stitches. Usually it's the same number as you've cast on under the arm, but that is not enough to close any gaps. Depending on whether I'm knitting a raglan or a circular yoke I might pick up anywhere between three and five stitches more than I cast on under the arm. This helps to close up any gaps and eliminate any unsightly holes. You can apply this approach to any pattern. 

Need a little refresher on picking up stitches?
Here's a great link for picking up along a cast on/off edge:
http://www.knittingdaily.com/blogs/howto/archive/2009/02/10/picking-up-stitches.aspx
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Where to begin picking up stitches under the arm. The stitch marker marks the first point. The red arrow, the second.
  • WHERE TO START
If you look at the photo above the big red arrow points to little bump left by the kfab stitch. The V which this arrow also points to is where you will pick up your second stitch from. Picking up the first stitch from this spot on a circular yoke can leave a bit of a gap. We don't want that. See the stitch I've marked with the pink stitch marker. Around there is where you want to pick up your first stitch. Note the stitch I've chosen to go in through is one with a small hole. Always chose the smaller hole option, picking up through a bigger hole won't close it up; it will emphasis it. We don't want that. 

When you're picking up stitches, make sure you pick up through the V of each stitch around the underarm, picking up through two strands of yarn. The yarn on your needle should look like this when you're picking up. 

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When picking up stitches under the arm, make sure your needle goes in through the top of the V and picks up both strands of yarn.
Generally, when you're picking up these stitches if you pick up around to the stitch marked by the kfab you'll have the correct number. You'll recognise this stitch as it's the last obvious one to pick up. If you look closely it looks a bit different, a bit tighter and you can see the bump caused by the kfab. 

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The last stitch on the underarm. Marked by a kfab. It's a little different and a little tighter.
Sometimes though, this will leave you one stitch short of the required number to pick up. This will be the case for the 15" size, you still have to pick up one more stitch. You can pick up this stitch anywhere in the gap between the last picked up stitch and the needle, remembering to choose a smaller space to pick up through. What I do sometimes, however, is a little unconventional, but it works.

Imagine I've picked up around all the underarm stitches, (you need to imagine it, because unfortunately this photo below doesn't show those picked up stitches). There is still one stitch to be picked up. I've marked the stitch I pick up with a stitch marker. Note that I've marked the right leg of the stitch and it is the stitch next to the one on the needle. 

I slip this right leg back onto the left needle and knit it. Unconventional? Yes. Effective? Yes.

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What I've shown you here is two different ways to pick up an extra stitch either side of the underarm stitches to help close gaps. You can choose either one, or use a mix of both like I do. It doesn't matter how you approach it, as long as you close up those gaps. As I've said before, there is no right or wrong way, just different techniques that may work better for some people. Play around with the way you approach this, if when you've picked up the stitch there's an obvious hole pull it off and try again.  

In the first round of knitting the sleeve stitches, you will notice that you knit a ssk and a k2tog. These also help with closing those underarm gaps, and are really the third step in the process. In this instance, I always slip both stitches of the ssk knit-wise. 

CONFIDENCE WITH UNDERARM STITCHES
Is fabulous thing to have and super great for creating great FOs. If you feel confident with your underarm stitches, I'm sure you'll grow to love knitting sleeves a little more, because seriously there's no greater feeling than absolutely nailing that perfect underarm. It's one of those crack for knitters moments. Like knitting with Noro. 

Finishing sleeves properly is all part of creating a FO that you'll be happier with, one where you're proud of it rather than always being that little bit conscious of that tiny thing wrong with it that only you can notice.  

Sleeves that are finished properly are a thing of beauty. Don't you agree?
36 Comments
Joy
10/11/2014 01:40:48 pm

This is why I love your patterns so much, the underarms are always flawless. I hate it when I come across patterns that don't pick up any underarm stitches because none were cast on and many patterns aren't nearly as detailed as yours with your photo tutorials. Keep up the fantastic work.

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Georgie
13/11/2014 10:56:19 am

Thanks so much Joy. Love hearing feedback like yours!

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Asuncion parlante link
29/6/2017 09:51:34 am

Por favor en castellano

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Kim
10/11/2014 03:47:50 pm

Great post! I used your technique for the first time when I knit your Gidday baby cardigan and I was so pleased with the result! It was the first time I didn't have to darn under the arms.

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Georgie
13/11/2014 10:57:06 am

That's fantastic Kim! I hate seeing the phrase in patterns instructing to darn under the arms!

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Rachael
13/11/2014 07:51:29 pm

I find myself thinking "would Georgie approve of this underarm?" When I do sleeves. Great to see your blog is getting love again xox

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Pam
5/1/2015 09:13:33 pm

This is fantastic! Thank you for sharing this. I have always hated the underarms - not any more.

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MARIA
7/1/2015 05:00:50 pm

wish there was a video showing your technique.. looks like an interesting way to do something

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Georgie
8/1/2015 08:07:01 am

You never know, Maria, I might get a chance to make one sometime this year. I do teach this at my Craft Sessions classes in the Yarra Valley. :)

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Zanthe
11/6/2018 04:28:32 am

I too would love to see a video of this. Is there one floating around somewhere? Thanks for your beautiful patterns and tutorials.

CWMesimer
11/1/2015 12:13:49 pm

The color/font on this page is nearly impossible to read. I'd love to read your technique, but am finding it quite difficult.

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Georgie
10/3/2015 08:43:45 pm

Really? The font is in blank and is a Sans Serif standard font.
Maybe try with a different browser.

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wesben
12/3/2015 12:14:21 am

Agree, color is extremely light...very hard to read.

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Helen
22/1/2015 02:53:37 am

Would picking up stitches underarms be similar to picking up stitches in the gusset of the sock -- when going back to knitting in the round for the rest of the foot? Top down sock pattern.

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Georgie
10/3/2015 08:44:49 pm

yes. Avoiding the gap is the key to making sure you don't have any gapes.

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Friederike
6/3/2015 05:02:23 am

Lovely tutorial, only one question, pardon my ignorance: what's a kfab stitch?

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Georgie
10/3/2015 08:45:27 pm

A knit front and back sometimes referred to as a kfb or kf&b

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Cherilynne Utton
11/3/2020 08:43:59 am

thank you, was going to ask the same.

Linda
8/3/2015 11:04:31 pm

When you do the kfab where do the extra sts go so they don't increase the body st count by four? Do those get slipped to the scrap yarn along w/ the sleeve st?

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Georgie
10/3/2015 08:47:11 pm

When you cast on the stitches under the arms, cast on two less under each arm and your body count will be all good.

You work the kfab as the stitch immediately before the stitches are slipped to waste yarn for sleeeves, and as the first stitch immediately after slipping. So they sandwich the gap and tighten the edge of it.

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Ruth
20/10/2018 02:03:44 pm

I am struggling with the underarms of my top down raglans and very interested in learning this technique. Regarding this Q & A concerning extra stitches .....I don’t understand how to cast on two less stitches under the arms. Is this at the beginning when you cast on the first row? Wouldn’t this create a smaller size shoulder? Also, how would decreasing the arm stitches remove the extra stitches in the body?
Thank you for any direction you can send my way!!

Ladyoga
16/3/2015 06:25:01 am

could you tell me more about your small circumference circular needdles please ? I hate magic loop !

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Elaine
8/6/2015 04:59:24 pm

Just discovered this blog and tried it out....LOVE the result and not having to darn up underarms! Then of course I had to buy the Miss Jane pattern. Thank you thank you thank you for passing this nugget of wisdom on!!

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amy
10/6/2015 11:53:29 am

I am going to send you all of my sleeveless sweaters! Seriously, I knit only bodies and I have a collection of sleeveless sweaters that I cannot bring myself to finish. I can't find circulars small enough to knit newborn sweater sleeves but long enough that I don't lose my mind. I use chunky yarn and finding US13 needles in 9" length is a challenge. DPNS are what I use for sleeves and I make a face the whole time.

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MJ, the SKEINdinavian
11/6/2015 07:57:36 am

I was so delighted to get a copy of your Gidday Baby pattern. I thought I had died and gone to heaven! What really captured my interest was how flawless the sleeve join is.

Then, while hunting Pinterest, I found this tutorial. It is PERFECT! Perfect delight clobbered me in the back of my head and all my teeth fell out. Is it possible for one to die and go to heaven twice in one week, toothlessly? YES IT IS!!!

Yes, I am one of those to HATE knitting sleeves from patterns that are... well, frankly, less than complete.

I cannot thank you enough for the splendid tutorial. I am going to share it with every knitter I encounter, complete with your blog address.

I know God is smiling down on you for your brilliance and willingness to share.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

MJ, the SKEINdinavian

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Monique link
1/10/2015 12:21:43 am

Hi Georgie! Loved this post! I cam across it when searching for tips on how to pick up stitches when you want to make a sweater reversible. Couldn't find any so I am hoping you would have some insight!

Thanks and keep up the good work!
Best
Monique

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Georgie
5/10/2015 03:15:07 am

Monique, I've found that if I pick up stitches using this techinue it's pretty invisible and not terribly noticeable on the Wrong Side. I use this method in my Olinda sample and it's fine ~ remember we don't often stand with our underarms showing ;)

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Bella
15/11/2015 08:03:16 pm

Hi Georgie, thanks for this excellent tutorial.

I'm knitting a top-down raglan sweater. To add some depth to the yoke I have worked four extra rounds without shaping, having finished the required number of raglan increases. I'm about to put the sleeve stitches on waste yarn but I'm concerned that my extra, no-shaping rows will leave holes at the underarm later on. Do you think that I should rip back and just continue with the increases to the length that I want, and decrease on later rounds to get back to the original number of stitches? Or can I make this work with the extra rounds that I have knitted?

Any advice would be great!

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Suzi
10/5/2016 09:58:20 pm

Please, please, PLEASE make a video tutorial for this. Can you see the multitudes down on their knees? I don't think I'm alone.

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Georgie
18/5/2016 09:14:40 pm

I'll try to Suzi! Yes, i'm sure you're not the only one who would love to see one! LOL

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Maria link
3/8/2018 12:23:13 am

This is an old video, but you'll be able to understand the instructions better.

Margaret Howard
1/3/2017 07:01:17 am

You are brilliant....why is this technique not universally known? I have made many top down sweaters, and this is the first time the sleeve issue has been dealt with. Thank you for this very helpful information. I didn't notice the kfb instruction for the Zig Zag sweater, so I will have to improvise, but I'm hoping the rest of the sleeve will be ok. Cheers.

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MJ, the SKEINdinvian
3/5/2017 01:48:06 pm

Georgie, after knitting your excellent "Great Underarms" several times, I had to write and tell you THANK YOU, again. Reading your instructions made me understand I had found a great answer, but the proof in the pudding was a successful first time, and all that followed.

As stated, I have shared your site address and raved about your 'Great Underarms' to every knitter I come into contact with.

Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart.

MJ, the SKEINdinavian

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Heidi
2/8/2018 04:54:31 am

Hi, I hate to be a real pain in the a**** but is there any way you can do a youtube video of this? I've read your article a number of times and while your photos are good and I think I understand what your saying, I still manage to get lost when I try it myself. I've watched a few other videos of the sleeves being picked up and none of them even look as simple as yours sounds (which is why I'm getting so frustrated that this isn't working for me in practice).
Cheers if you can, fine if you can't but I thought I'd ask anyway.

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Marsha Whitney
6/10/2020 09:36:27 pm

Hi Georgie, please clarify, when you pick up the stitches under the arms, are you picking up and knitting, or just picking up? I'm trying to use your technique with an existing pattern. It is a top-down raglan cardigan that calls for extra cast-on stitches (for the underarm) in the separation row. I tried it with picking up and knitting half of the extra stitches, then knitting around the sleeve stitches, then picking up and knitting the other half of the extra stitches. Now it is rather bulky where I did the extra stitches.

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Laura Grenier link
12/1/2021 09:44:28 am

Thanks foor sharing

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